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welcome back to disclosure team hi Katie

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how are you doing I'm doing great how

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are you Vinnie not too bad at all uh

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this is going to be an exciting one

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definitely I am so excited to talk to

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Ross and uh get to know him and hear his

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perspective on all the news that's been

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happening lately absolutely let's not

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waste any more time and welcome back to

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disclosure team Roscoe Ross how are you

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hello guys how are you all I'm so

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excited to be seeing you again I suspect

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it's very chilly where you are I won't

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tell you that it's just been a beautiful

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30 degree day here today and I've been

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watering my garden and enjoying the

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beautiful Summer Sunshine but of course

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we won't talk no no I won't say that

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about half an hour ago I was stood in a

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freezing cold schoolyard dropping my

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daughter off just looking at the

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grayness of her the surroundings

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well if you ever want to come visit in

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San Diego you both have a place to stay

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I've actually visited San Diego quite a

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few times actually I've got a few

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friends

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um a couple of people from the

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Australian Navy who serve in the um uh

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collaboration with the American Navy and

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it's a great town it's a fun place

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agreed agreed it is well we are so

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excited to have you here thank you for

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taking the time

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um you have been making the the circuit

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recently and so we were we're following

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up and all the the recent things you've

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been talking about and I'm just going to

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Dive Right In if that's okay with you

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sure let's do it so one of the things

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that you have been speaking a lot about

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recently is the utterly appalling

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response or lack thereof of U.S

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journalists in the wake of so to speak

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balloon week and there's been a lot of

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legitimate criticism that many

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generalists simply didn't do their

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homework they hadn't heard of Arrow

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before they didn't oppress about some of

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the more alarming statements about

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sensors and an object shattering into a

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million pieces and it seems to me at

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least that what we're really dealing

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with here is a femme mental degree of

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UAP illiteracy

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and as a former lobbyist one of the

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things I used to do was arrange staff

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delegations for Congressional staff to

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kind of bone them up on topics and so

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I'm really curious to know is if you

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think we need something like that for

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journalists do we need to put together a

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UAP boot camp 101 and kind of get some

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journalists up to speed so that next

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time this happens they know the right

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questions to ask you know Katie I don't

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think they'd listen I mean one of the

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things with the whole issue of uaps is

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it's the one area where the media

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suspends normal faculties for rational

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objective analysis it's almost as soon

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as you stray into the area of um

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uaps because of the stigma the taboo

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that's attached to it almost immediately

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media just kind of forget about what

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they're meant to do they forget about

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asking the right kind of questions they

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they suspend their normal judgment and

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giggle titter and and completely ignore

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what their responsibility is which is

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you know fundamentally to hold power to

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account and to ask basic questions I

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mean my beef about the whole

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um balloon gate Saga is that um

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well think about it what have you seen

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in the news about balloon gate in the

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last two weeks since it was all over

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and the reason it was all over is

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because the media just accepted the

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Assurance from the Pentagon without a

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scrap of evidence that the um the

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explanation for the three hobby the

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three objects was that they were hobby

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balloons or maybe some kind of um

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private corporate scientific exercise

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not a shred of evidence to support such

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a claim no video no data to assert the

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the basis for this assertion

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um there are so many unanswered

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questions about that episode and it's

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not because I'm suggesting that the um

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the objects were anomalous right but the

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the point that I'm making is that the

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media have been manipulated to make the

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issue go away largely I suspect because

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the White House is embarrassed that it

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deployed probably about one and a half

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million dollars to shoot down what they

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assert uh our balloons you know but I

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mean I I I I've heard the radio

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transcript of pilots from one of the

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shootdown incidents and it does sound

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like that what they're talking about is

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a balloon so let's give the Pentagon the

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benefit of the dart but really why is it

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that American taxpayers don't ask

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questions and the media don't ask

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questions when the president clearly

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embarrassed and overreacting to the

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Chinese balloon Saga

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um as soon as he's told by the Pentagon

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that they've turned up the sensitivity

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of their systems and started detecting

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other objects he immediately in a reflex

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action orders the shoot down of those

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objects whatever they are and um

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the media are not asking basic questions

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like why Mr President

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did the Pentagon suddenly adjust the

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sensitivity of their systems if they've

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known these objects are there why did it

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take an incident like this to adjust the

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sensitivity of these systems why weren't

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we looking for these objects before

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because even if you accept the arguments

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of the American government that these

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objects are benign and that we can be

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reassured that they're no threat they're

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not in any way extraterrestrial which is

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something funnily enough the Pentagon

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volunteered the White House security

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officials volunteered not the media even

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if you accept that Assurance the the

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implications are that um

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you know we we have a situation where

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a government is admitting

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it for the first time in American

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history has engaged militarily with

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weapons objects in American airspace

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brought them down

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and even though they gave assurances I

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was she just going through earlier some

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notes from uh some of the media reports

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and especially with the Alaska

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object whatever it was I refused to call

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it a balloon with the Alaska object

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officials briefed media notably Reuters

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and you can find this in the Reuters

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articles stipulating that they were very

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confident they would find the object

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that had been brought down because the

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sea ice off the part of dead horse where

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this object is located is Frozen

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so any object particularly the one

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they've just shot at which is presumably

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not necessarily white is going to be

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easily detectable on pack Ice Frozen

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pack ice and yet we're being told by the

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Pentagon and by the White House that

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somehow these objects all three of them

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are undetectable I mean that's

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shockingly bad luck gosh you know when

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you've got geospatial satellites you've

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got the US Air Force you've got military

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ground helicopters search and search and

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rescue I mean you've got the full

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resources of the American Military and

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the most powerful Nation on the planet

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can't find three objects that are the

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first objects ever to be shot down all

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in a period of about one week

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in the history of NORAD

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and you would think that the public the

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media would be asking questions and

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saying you know what were these

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unidentified objects why do you know why

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do you know for sure that they are

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benign what do you know for sure that

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they're not anomalous in some way why

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were descriptions given to Media for

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example that one of these objects in

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some way interfered with the sensor

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systems of one of the Jets

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um why was it that in one of the

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incidents the object when it broke apart

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looked metallic

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um what possibly could this be

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and and why can't we find it and and

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this is the sort of questioning that I

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would have thought any logical member of

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the media worked properly to be asked if

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I was the um I don't know if there is an

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Alaska Gazette but if I was the Alaska

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Gazette I'd be deploying my chief

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reporter to go out to Dead Horse and ask

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people did they see any search mission

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did they see any helicopters were there

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any aircraft flying overhead I mean as I

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was just doing some research on dead

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horse today and it's 10 miles from the

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coast

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so there are tracks there are tracks

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from the um the end of the Dutton

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the Dalton highway to

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um you get basically you get to the end

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of the road and there's dead horse and

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then there's 10 more miles and it's the

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coast and then it's then it's the Arctic

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Ocean and locals go trapping and hunting

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in that part of the world they know all

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the tracks are actually been speaking to

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a local who contacted me telling me he

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couldn't see or recall seeing any search

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aircraft

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so I'm just asking very basic questions

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that for what is after all an extra

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ordinarily historic incident I mean to

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my recollection there was obviously the

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infamous December 7th 1941 Pearl Harbor

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attacked by the Japanese where we you

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know the Americans uh were I think was

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um American servicemen were killed in

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that attack and

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um that's obviously an enormously

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important day in American history and

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that's why that's the political

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background to why the the incursion of

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these objects into American airspace is

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so important but I was doing my research

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and I noted that there's actually

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another incident in Alaska which

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involved a Japanese zero which was one

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of the only other times when a there's

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been an engagement with

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um aircraft over American airspace

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and then of course I loved the irony of

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it because when I was going back through

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the history the one of the other only

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incidents over American airspace is the

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so-called Battle of Los Angeles which

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you Casey might know about where in the

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middle of World War II shortly after the

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Japanese declared war on America

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um something was seen hovering over the

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over Los Angeles the city of Los Angeles

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and an enormous fusilade of artillery

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was brought to bear on whatever this

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object was and contemporary accounts

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from the times assert that it was unable

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to be brought down even though artillery

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shells were seen to explode very close

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to or on it

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and uh it disappeared subsequently never

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any explanation for what it was and of

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course the official explanation was that

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they were shooting out of the Jitters

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because of the Pearl Harbor attack and

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it wasn't anything at all but even the

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Contemporary photographs of the time

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show that there was an object there but

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the reason it has synchronicities with

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what we're talking about with the shoot

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down incidents is both incidents show

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how manipulable

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the media can be and how well they don't

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ask questions yeah I mean there's a

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credulity and during World War II I can

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understand it you know the media were

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very heavily controlled there was a need

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to make sure that there weren't reports

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that unnecessarily raised public alarm

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but why why can't we know about what

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happened over Dead Horse Alaska uh over

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the Yukon or um in other the other shoot

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done that took place over near the Great

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Lakes I mean why just so can somebody

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please explain that to me why for

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example did the New York Times clearly

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know or at least have been briefed by

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officials before even the general spoke

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to the White House Press Corps assuring

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them that even though he had no idea

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what the object was this is the

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absurdity of it even though he had no

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idea what the object was he was very

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sure it wasn't well should we pull an

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idea out of my head it wasn't

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extraterrestrial you know I don't know

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where that came from but uh you know I

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mean why why all of a sudden did they

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start talking about aliens it wasn't the

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media that started talking about aliens

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it was the White House and it was the

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general in charge of a North American

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airspace

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and then the did notice how when people

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like Marco Rubio senator John Kennedy

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started talking about this issue they

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weren't talking to the issue of

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suspected foreign balloons that had

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somehow made an incursion into American

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airspace they were talking about the

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broader issue of over many many years

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incursions into American airspace of

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unknown objects and we don't know what

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they are I actually made notes of it

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because I was so profoundly fascinated

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by what they were saying

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I mean um

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what have we got here uh

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uh yeah Marco Rubio

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firstly he came out of the briefing on

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the 14th of February and had a press

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doorstop he said look 95 of the

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information we'd been given in the

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private hearing could be made public

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without

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compromising the security of this

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country right and um

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he said I reiterate we know what the Spy

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building was from China so put that one

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aside

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the other three instances as they are

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I mean we've heard the exact same

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description in hundreds of cases

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dozens this year alone

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so observing unidentified objects over

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USS based particularly over sensitive

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areas of a country is not new

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now what Marco Rubio was doing there was

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he was referring to what we all know

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about which is that Arrow the um all

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domain anomaly resolution office has

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basically alerted the public the

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Pentagon the Congress to the fact that

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there are these unexplained unidentified

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objects over American airspace that are

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being frequently seen by reliable

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Witnesses military Pilots civilian

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Pilots they're not explained even though

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there are attempts by agencies such as

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Ro to

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try and find a plausible mundane prosaic

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explanation for them they're a genuine

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mystery and in some cases again as Marco

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Rubio particularly has observed they're

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observed often doing things that are

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completely outside known terrestrial

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technology they're doing Hypersonic

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Maneuvers instantaneous course changes

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you know left-hand turns of thousands of

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kilometers an hour

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um they've got stealth mode they appear

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to drop off radar instantaneously

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without any explanation they're trans

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medium they go from water to area to

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water even into orbit

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and perhaps most perplexingly out of all

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when they put under an AB Fleur Imaging

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system they have no observable infrared

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signal of heat they're not showing the

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normal exhaust or jet plumes or rocket

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plumes that you would expect from such a

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highly propelled aircraft so

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um

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what fascinated me was that we had this

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weird game where the media in a kind of

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a weird acquiescence to the official

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line

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were constantly trying to dampen down

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the issue of whether or not there was

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any

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non-prosaic non-mundane explanation for

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these objects and at the same time you

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had people like Senator Marco Rubio

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clearly wanting to raise and engage with

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the Press on this issue of how you know

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we've been campaigning in the Congress

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to actually get answers on these other

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hundreds of anomalous cases that can't

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be explained

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and the media did their level best to

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try and giggle and titter their way out

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of it and and frankly

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the big lesson from the whole balloon

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gate Saga is

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it underlined how easily manipulable the

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media are and that's my brief frankly

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that um that that essentially

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um they should have asked tougher

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questions uh the New York Times has

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published one article by

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um a non-expert non-national security

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non-defense author who's basically quite

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legitimately said is that it you know it

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was a great headline you know is that it

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um you know and that's the explanation

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you get yes even though we said we know

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what these objects are we really don't

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and more importantly even though we

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asserted confidently in media briefings

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to the media that we were going to be

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able to find these objects you know what

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we haven't

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and you just have to take our word for

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it that these objects aren't anomalous

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and we're not asserting of course that

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they are anomalous it was the Pentagon

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and the White House National Security

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advisors that started asserting that it

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might be anomalous might be

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extraterrestrial

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um

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even though they're not asserting that

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you know the simple fact is they have

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not been able to provide any explanation

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for why they've reached the conclusions

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they've reached

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and shouldn't we know which hobby group

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lost these should it shouldn't we have

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them identified yeah and if I was the um

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you know if I was the editor of the LA

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Times the New York Times or the

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Washington Post and happy to take the

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gig guys I mean I would basically be

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telling the investigative team okay

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we now have admissions on the record by

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the Pentagon

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you know the most powerful military on

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the planet is admitting it cannot

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explain anomalous objects in our skies

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and even though the um the debunkers and

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the Skeptics constantly say oh it's a

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bird or it's a you know swamp gas or a

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balloon or something like that one can

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be assured that they've already

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considered those

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prosaic non-proza yeah the prosaic

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explanations the mundane explanations

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they've ruled those out

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and so then we're left with what the

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hell is it

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and so in the media for the first time

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in history had an opportunity to

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question the president or at least the

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president's spokeswoman

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and the National Security advisor or at

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least his spokesperson

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well the general responsible for North

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American airspace

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why didn't they

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go to town because you know the one

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thing in media that you can do as is

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hunt as a pack and you know and you know

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that when there's a story like this and

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the government's on the back foot

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there's a huge opportunity to really

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push for the truth and I was waiting I

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was waiting during all those press

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conferences for a moment when the

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presidential press spokeswoman or the

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National Security advisor were finally

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asked listen

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we know that you've got Vision that

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you're not letting out

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we know that there are many dozens of

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images and videos of objects that your

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military has recorded

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and you're doing it to us again in this

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case you're refusing to release Vision

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that you say is benign is prosaic and

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capable of mundane explanation

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well why the [\h__\h] should we believe you

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why can't we see a hobby balloon what's

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classified about that yeah

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um

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I just wanted to move on Ross if you

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don't mind because it's a point that you

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made recently that I think a lot of

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people latched on to was this story of a

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senior Navy Commander becoming aware of

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the the US Air Force concealing

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things still and that this Navy

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Commander took this to the White House I

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just wondered if you were able to expand

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on this at all

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can't say much about it to be honest I'm

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aware of it I know it's true and I know

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that it's part of a broader battle

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that's been going on between the

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Pentagon and the White House

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what I can point to is the fact that

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um it was the White House which is

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obviously the executive the political

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arm representing Joe Biden

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that made the political decision to

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appoint an interagency task force over

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the head of the Pentagon who wanted

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everything to go through aaro the all

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domain resolution anomaly resolution

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office what has to be asked is why did

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that happen hmm so what was it that made

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the White House start to lose confidence

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well frankly that's the only

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interpretation you can make from this

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I was told that yes there is a senior

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very senior Navy Commander who's come

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forward and approached the Biden White

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House directly with information that

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suggests that the Pentagon has not been

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entirely open about what it knows on the

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subject of uaps

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that's all I can say for now

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I'm going to ask would that would that

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include Legacy programs yeah right okay

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okay I'm going to ask one more detail so

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are can are we is it safe to assume that

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this person may have approached someone

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on the NSC like a staffer that is

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already working on these issues or was

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it a military attache do we have any any

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details I can glean out of you

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I know the NSC is aware of it

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okay thank you I'm not sure who

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approached who first but I know the NSC

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is aware of it so someone bumped into

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Jake Sullivan at COSI and gave him the

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whole

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I don't know if the approach was made

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and apologies to to John Kirby

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inadvertently and other interviews have

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been calling John Kirby Jake

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so confusing when you've got two people

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in the NSC sort of spokespeople roles

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but um yeah I mean I I uh

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um

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uh for what it's worth I mean I'm told

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there is a Schism between the Pentagon

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and the White House on uaps and it

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largely came out of a complete lack of

556
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:44,400
confidence by the Biden White House in

557
00:22:49,789 --> 00:22:46,740
the fact that the Pentagon on its own

558
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:49,799
admission turned down the sensitivity of

559
00:22:54,830 --> 00:22:52,799
its radar systems so as to not detect

560
00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:54,840
certain objects

561
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:56,520
go figure

562
00:23:01,789 --> 00:22:59,280
if the role of the US military is to

563
00:23:04,250 --> 00:23:01,799
protect and defend American airspace a

564
00:23:07,370 --> 00:23:04,260
sacred pledge especially after the

565
00:23:09,409 --> 00:23:07,380
dishonor of the absolutely egregious

566
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,419
intelligence failures that allowed Pearl

567
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:11,039
Harbor to happen something I've made a

568
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,400
study of and fascinated by it

569
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:16,559
you would think that the American

570
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:19,020
Military with all of the technology that

571
00:23:23,870 --> 00:23:21,480
it's got at its disposal would make damn

572
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:23,880
sure especially when the Congress has

573
00:23:28,490 --> 00:23:25,440
prioritized

574
00:23:29,810 --> 00:23:28,500
the research into uaps what have they

575
00:23:33,169 --> 00:23:29,820
been doing

576
00:23:35,750 --> 00:23:33,179
sabotage

577
00:23:37,370 --> 00:23:35,760
investigation into the issue that's the

578
00:23:38,930 --> 00:23:37,380
issue that's what Jake Sullivan's

579
00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:38,940
responded to that's what the president's

580
00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:42,120
responded to and well done to them

581
00:23:47,090 --> 00:23:44,520
the government of the United States has

582
00:23:49,730 --> 00:23:47,100
finally started listening it's a very

583
00:23:51,890 --> 00:23:49,740
very positive development

584
00:23:54,289 --> 00:23:51,900
and you know what not being picked up of

585
00:23:56,450 --> 00:23:54,299
course by any of those tame Lex Bittle

586
00:23:58,789 --> 00:23:56,460
National Security defense correspondents

587
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,799
who are dependent and this is the

588
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,480
problem this is the way the media is

589
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:02,640
structured I've been a beneficiary of it

590
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:04,740
myself and my time covering National

591
00:24:10,490 --> 00:24:06,960
Security issues in my country

592
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:10,500
if you want to get the feed if you want

593
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:13,020
to be on the drip you don't rock the

594
00:24:17,570 --> 00:24:14,940
boat and that goes for the White House

595
00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:17,580
the Pentagon press Corps the

596
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,919
intelligence press Corps if you're a

597
00:24:23,690 --> 00:24:21,600
national security correspondent you have

598
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,700
to keep your nose clean you don't upset

599
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:26,400
people you get your stories vetted you

600
00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:28,740
make sure you're not treading on toes

601
00:24:32,930 --> 00:24:31,260
and for years the U.S Air Force in

602
00:24:34,610 --> 00:24:32,940
particular has controlled the narrative

603
00:24:36,590 --> 00:24:34,620
on uaps

604
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,600
and what's significant about what's

605
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:38,760
happened with the White House is their

606
00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:40,740
appointment of the interagency panel

607
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,360
which was something I should underline

608
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,760
was something that Louis zondo was

609
00:24:50,210 --> 00:24:47,159
pushing for years ago

610
00:24:53,149 --> 00:24:50,220
you have to ask why has that happened

611
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:53,159
and isn't it fascinating that in all the

612
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:54,900
analysis report analysis analysis

613
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:56,880
reports that have come out of the um

614
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,919
balloon gate Saga

615
00:25:02,990 --> 00:25:00,720
you know you've had trite observations

616
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:03,000
from National Security and defense

617
00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:05,760
correspondence about how you know we we

618
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,679
didn't want to have the radar too

619
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,900
sensitive because we didn't want to you

620
00:25:13,250 --> 00:25:11,280
know pick up all of this anomalous

621
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,260
clutter

622
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,400
um why

623
00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:16,799
why didn't you want to pick it up I mean

624
00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:18,360
if these things were a threat to

625
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:20,700
navigation as the president's certs was

626
00:25:24,769 --> 00:25:22,500
the basis for the decision to shoot them

627
00:25:26,330 --> 00:25:24,779
down the three other objects whatever

628
00:25:28,850 --> 00:25:26,340
they are

629
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:28,860
if these objects did pose a genuine

630
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:30,779
threat to civilian airspace when the

631
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:33,900
Pentagon NORAD command finally started

632
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,000
detecting them in American airspace

633
00:25:39,529 --> 00:25:37,919
why the hell hadn't they been doing that

634
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,539
previously

635
00:25:43,730 --> 00:25:41,279
and the other thing I would draw your

636
00:25:46,190 --> 00:25:43,740
attention to that is significant is the

637
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,200
fact that the National Security Council

638
00:25:50,390 --> 00:25:47,520
spokesperson

639
00:25:53,450 --> 00:25:50,400
also noted that the president had been

640
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:53,460
seeking briefings on the UAP issue since

641
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:57,600
at least 2021 mm-hmm very interesting

642
00:26:00,049 --> 00:25:58,440
that

643
00:26:02,029 --> 00:26:00,059
now obviously there was a prime

644
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:02,039
opportunity there for the media to then

645
00:26:04,850 --> 00:26:03,900
say why

646
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,860
right

647
00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:07,200
what made him start seeking briefings on

648
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:08,700
uaps

649
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:10,799
did you notice how Supine and

650
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,659
acquiescent the media press Corps were

651
00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:14,880
in the White House Press Room when that

652
00:26:19,970 --> 00:26:17,880
point was raised by John Kirby not a

653
00:26:21,950 --> 00:26:19,980
person who twitched oh my goodness me

654
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:21,960
I've got to get back home and

655
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,600
you know file my story that I I mean

656
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:27,000
it's just I I don't understand it I mean

657
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:28,679
one of the things that I love about

658
00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:31,140
American Media is sometimes they really

659
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,140
know how to take a story to an issue and

660
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:37,200
and give it guts you know I grew up with

661
00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:38,700
stories of people like Woodward and

662
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,020
Bernstein

663
00:26:45,289 --> 00:26:42,960
reporters who were prepared to really go

664
00:26:46,549 --> 00:26:45,299
to the line and push a yarn and

665
00:26:48,350 --> 00:26:46,559
investigate it

666
00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:48,360
and what really strikes me is that the

667
00:26:53,210 --> 00:26:50,460
corporators the corporatizing of media

668
00:26:55,610 --> 00:26:53,220
in the United States has led to a focus

669
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,620
far too much on personality and less on

670
00:27:01,970 --> 00:26:58,559
the actual story yeah there's a story

671
00:27:05,149 --> 00:27:01,980
here anybody any journal with this salt

672
00:27:07,970 --> 00:27:05,159
knows there's a story behind this

673
00:27:09,890 --> 00:27:07,980
fact that the White House has overruled

674
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:09,900
effectively its pentagon

675
00:27:15,230 --> 00:27:12,320
over its head against its advice

676
00:27:17,870 --> 00:27:15,240
particularly against the U.S Air Force's

677
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,880
advice it's appointed an interagency

678
00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:19,200
panel

679
00:27:25,070 --> 00:27:21,720
why did it do that

680
00:27:27,169 --> 00:27:25,080
and why has nobody asked that question

681
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:27,179
yeah

682
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,740
exchange as well because we recently

683
00:27:34,190 --> 00:27:30,720
discovered that Ro has been working with

684
00:27:36,289 --> 00:27:34,200
three full staff team members which you

685
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:36,299
know you assume is Dr Kirkpatrick and

686
00:27:39,710 --> 00:27:37,620
two others so they're obviously

687
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,720
underfunded understaffed this is a

688
00:27:45,049 --> 00:27:41,520
repeat of

689
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,059
um the UAP task force and aoi MSG it

690
00:27:49,010 --> 00:27:46,799
when's it ever going to end when is the

691
00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:49,020
funding ever going to happen is it is it

692
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,940
just are they just trying to take the

693
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,559
boxes set out in the National Defense

694
00:27:56,330 --> 00:27:54,720
authorization act and push it to the

695
00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:56,340
side and hope people forget about it I

696
00:28:01,370 --> 00:27:59,400
mean it just seems bizarre well I mean I

697
00:28:03,769 --> 00:28:01,380
I think to be honest Vinnie I think what

698
00:28:06,350 --> 00:28:03,779
it was was that the Pentagon was paying

699
00:28:08,710 --> 00:28:06,360
lip service up until balloon gate the

700
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:08,720
Pentagon was paying lip service to the

701
00:28:12,610 --> 00:28:11,220
demands of the Congress that there be

702
00:28:14,750 --> 00:28:12,620
some kind of

703
00:28:15,769 --> 00:28:14,760
pentagon-based Investigation into this

704
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:15,779
issue

705
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:18,960
and the fact that they had such a

706
00:28:24,169 --> 00:28:21,480
deriserably small task force of people

707
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,179
employed to properly look at this issue

708
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:26,520
many of them working I'm told part-time

709
00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:29,820
only delegated to this role as part as

710
00:28:34,010 --> 00:28:32,760
an adjunct to their normal jobs yep it

711
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,020
was a joke

712
00:28:37,909 --> 00:28:36,179
now the Fantastic thing is that I'm

713
00:28:40,430 --> 00:28:37,919
assured I've actually been talking to

714
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:40,440
people who've been in touch with arrow

715
00:28:43,789 --> 00:28:41,580
and

716
00:28:45,710 --> 00:28:43,799
that you know everywhere I go Arrow

717
00:28:47,570 --> 00:28:45,720
seems to have been in front as well as

718
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,580
the Congressional staffers the oversight

719
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:49,919
committees from the um the armed

720
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:51,360
services committee and the intelligence

721
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:53,400
committee there really is some great

722
00:28:57,710 --> 00:28:55,919
work being done and an enormous number

723
00:28:59,690 --> 00:28:57,720
of people have been approached and asked

724
00:29:02,269 --> 00:28:59,700
to give evidence most recently of course

725
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:02,279
Bob Salas Robert Salas has given

726
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,840
evidence about the nuclear weapons

727
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:06,000
tampering by whatever this anomalous

728
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:08,279
objects are

729
00:29:12,610 --> 00:29:10,200
um but there are other Witnesses coming

730
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:12,620
forward with more direct evidence

731
00:29:18,529 --> 00:29:16,500
allegedly reportedly about the program

732
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:18,539
um I've spoken to

733
00:29:23,090 --> 00:29:21,240
multiple people who assert that they

734
00:29:24,769 --> 00:29:23,100
have evidence about the program and I

735
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,779
know at least one of them

736
00:29:28,430 --> 00:29:27,120
is either or is about to be in touch

737
00:29:30,649 --> 00:29:28,440
with

738
00:29:32,210 --> 00:29:30,659
the congressional committees

739
00:29:34,909 --> 00:29:32,220
so it's exciting it's a really

740
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:34,919
interesting time because I think what

741
00:29:38,690 --> 00:29:37,799
the balloon gate Saga did for the first

742
00:29:41,810 --> 00:29:38,700
time

743
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:41,820
was put the issue of unidentified

744
00:29:46,370 --> 00:29:44,399
objects over American airspace at the

745
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:46,380
Forefront of the news agenda in a way

746
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:48,960
that meant that the White House cannot

747
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,720
ignore it and they realized that this

748
00:29:55,909 --> 00:29:54,240
truly for all the for all the jaw

749
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:55,919
drawing that's been going on about how

750
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:57,960
this is a national security and flight

751
00:30:03,409 --> 00:30:00,299
safety threat I think the pentagon's

752
00:30:05,330 --> 00:30:03,419
been very readily able to S you know

753
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:05,340
hose the whole issue down as quickly as

754
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:07,200
possible and go you know it's not really

755
00:30:11,330 --> 00:30:09,299
a national security threat it's not

756
00:30:14,810 --> 00:30:11,340
really a flight safety threat

757
00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:14,820
but now as a result of the um balloon

758
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,200
gate Saga

759
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,720
we have a situation where the White

760
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,120
House is prioritizing this as an issue

761
00:30:25,789 --> 00:30:23,340
and by golly they are they really are

762
00:30:27,230 --> 00:30:25,799
they're putting it right up them and one

763
00:30:29,090 --> 00:30:27,240
of the ways they've done that is by

764
00:30:32,450 --> 00:30:29,100
doing this um appointing this

765
00:30:35,450 --> 00:30:32,460
interagency task force and it's done

766
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,460
against the wishes of the U.S Air Force

767
00:30:40,190 --> 00:30:37,140
which is which has been doing in

768
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,200
previous months it's level best to push

769
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:42,179
back against Congressional push for

770
00:30:45,889 --> 00:30:43,620
transparency

771
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,899
and I can tell you it's not going to

772
00:30:50,450 --> 00:30:48,240
work so those people in the U.S Air

773
00:30:52,730 --> 00:30:50,460
Force in particular and the CIA who are

774
00:30:56,529 --> 00:30:52,740
trying to hose this whole issue Dan

775
00:30:59,690 --> 00:30:56,539
they're after you so you've got a choice

776
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,700
those officials now have a choice

777
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,159
they can either decide to come forward

778
00:31:06,649 --> 00:31:04,559
and admit what they know

779
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,659
or they can be excoriated in the court

780
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,000
of public opinion for essentially

781
00:31:14,210 --> 00:31:12,240
Lawless criminal possibly treasonous

782
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,220
Behavior

783
00:31:18,769 --> 00:31:17,279
I'm serious this is really serious well

784
00:31:21,710 --> 00:31:18,779
and you kind of what I find amazing

785
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:21,720
about this is that again the U.S media

786
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,779
is asleep at the wheel on one of the

787
00:31:29,210 --> 00:31:27,059
most significant stories of our time

788
00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:29,220
right I mean it's massive it has

789
00:31:33,289 --> 00:31:31,679
International implications I've had

790
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:33,299
conversations with U.S military

791
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,659
officials who talk candidly to me and I

792
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:38,880
don't know if it's true or not about a

793
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,120
non-human Intelligence on this planet I

794
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,340
don't know if that's true I've talked

795
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:47,159
with people about Crash retrievals about

796
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:49,740
American government secret reverse

797
00:31:54,049 --> 00:31:51,960
engineering programs

798
00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:54,059
know if that's true but people are

799
00:31:58,970 --> 00:31:55,260
saying it is

800
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,980
don't you think it's time to stop the

801
00:32:02,690 --> 00:32:01,080
nonsense and start investigating

802
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:02,700
now if you're the editor of a major

803
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:06,240
national newspaper or a 60 Minutes at

804
00:32:11,090 --> 00:32:08,460
what point do you get off your fat ass

805
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,100
and and start looking

806
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:13,440
I mean I'm sorry I just think it's

807
00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:15,480
Unforgivable

808
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,220
well and you you hinted at something

809
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:19,620
Ross that uh I kind of want to go back

810
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:21,960
to for a second because I think it might

811
00:32:27,710 --> 00:32:25,380
go above some people's heads you said

812
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,720
that you have it on good authority yes

813
00:32:31,310 --> 00:32:29,760
that someone might be sharing their

814
00:32:32,810 --> 00:32:31,320
story with congress with congressional

815
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:32,820
committees

816
00:32:39,169 --> 00:32:35,760
are we to then assume you know the the

817
00:32:41,090 --> 00:32:39,179
current ndaa legislation does not say

818
00:32:42,649 --> 00:32:41,100
that individuals with information on

819
00:32:43,810 --> 00:32:42,659
these programs can go directly to the

820
00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:43,820
Committees

821
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:45,860
this is

822
00:32:50,450 --> 00:32:47,880
what it does say

823
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:50,460
does say is if a program is confirmed to

824
00:32:56,990 --> 00:32:53,760
have been not properly reported to the

825
00:32:59,690 --> 00:32:57,000
gang of eight arrow has 72 hours to

826
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,700
notify those committees so can we

827
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,399
properly assume that we have de facto

828
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,799
confirmation that this program that

829
00:33:09,169 --> 00:33:07,200
supposedly is going to be discussed with

830
00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:09,179
the congressional committees has been

831
00:33:13,789 --> 00:33:11,279
confirmed to have not had proper

832
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:13,799
congressional oversight that is too big

833
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,600
a stretch and something I can't assert

834
00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:18,000
at the moment what I can tell you what I

835
00:33:23,570 --> 00:33:20,100
can tell you is that the

836
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:23,580
I'm aware of an individual who has no

837
00:33:28,370 --> 00:33:25,860
confidence in going to Arrow as is

838
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:28,380
required under the legislation okay and

839
00:33:34,490 --> 00:33:32,220
who is insisting on speaking directly to

840
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:34,500
the oversight committees

841
00:33:41,330 --> 00:33:38,519
oh interesting okay and I mean look I I

842
00:33:43,549 --> 00:33:41,340
just don't think people realize the

843
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,559
significance of this unless there's a

844
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:45,840
secret presidential order executive

845
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:47,880
order somewhere down the tracks unless

846
00:33:53,210 --> 00:33:50,940
Truman or Eisenhower somewhere

847
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:53,220
made an assertion under an executive

848
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:55,919
order that there could be some kind of

849
00:34:00,590 --> 00:33:58,980
secret program run to try and back

850
00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:00,600
engineer this technology and that it

851
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:02,519
could be withheld from the knowledge of

852
00:34:07,009 --> 00:34:04,740
the Congress and the knowledge of future

853
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:07,019
presidents the legality of which I think

854
00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:10,260
would be Highly Questionable

855
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,300
is indubitably illegal

856
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,940
probably criminal a criminal contempt of

857
00:34:18,589 --> 00:34:16,320
your Congress

858
00:34:20,990 --> 00:34:18,599
and there are individuals in our

859
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,000
military right now who might be watching

860
00:34:24,829 --> 00:34:23,040
this I hope they are who are probably

861
00:34:27,230 --> 00:34:24,839
wringing their hands wondering whether

862
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:27,240
or not they should be candid

863
00:34:31,070 --> 00:34:28,919
they might be concerned about the fact

864
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:31,080
that I'm understanding that a senior

865
00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:33,060
Navy Commander has come forward to the

866
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:36,599
White House to reveal what they know

867
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:39,300
you know we're in amazing times and the

868
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:40,740
terrible thing is a lot of at the moment

869
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:42,960
is Subterranean it's it's off the front

870
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,940
page and sure as hell you're not going

871
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:46,379
to read about it in your newspapers

872
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,379
because nobody in your newspapers has

873
00:34:53,450 --> 00:34:51,419
been allowed to write about the Pentagon

874
00:34:55,730 --> 00:34:53,460
because that's the situation we have now

875
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,740
you have National Security and defense

876
00:34:59,450 --> 00:34:57,359
reporters who've just completely lost

877
00:35:02,870 --> 00:34:59,460
their spines

878
00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,880
unfortunately so yeah yeah

879
00:35:07,010 --> 00:35:04,859
you're not right with all this talk of

880
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:07,020
Legacy programs crash retrievals back

881
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:08,760
engineering and

882
00:35:11,990 --> 00:35:10,560
sources coming out saying that these

883
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:12,000
people having the conversations we saw

884
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,619
George Knapp this week talking about one

885
00:35:18,050 --> 00:35:16,140
of his sources this Alfred O'Donnell who

886
00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:18,060
worked at EG and G with the name Richard

887
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:20,359
D'Amato came back into the conversation

888
00:35:25,670 --> 00:35:24,000
but with this whole conversation has or

889
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:25,680
have you heard any inklings of people

890
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:28,500
actually discussing the origin of these

891
00:35:32,810 --> 00:35:30,660
objects because that just seems to be

892
00:35:35,510 --> 00:35:32,820
out of the conversation a lot of the

893
00:35:38,270 --> 00:35:35,520
time even speculation yeah yeah I mean I

894
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:38,280
I have no leads at all on the origin of

895
00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:40,560
the objects I mean I the implicit

896
00:35:44,030 --> 00:35:42,060
assumption from everybody that I've

897
00:35:46,490 --> 00:35:44,040
spoken to is that they're of non-human

898
00:35:48,410 --> 00:35:46,500
origin yeah and so you've got

899
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:48,420
intelligently controlled intelligently

900
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:51,660
crafted objects that are not human

901
00:35:54,950 --> 00:35:53,280
um

902
00:35:56,510 --> 00:35:54,960
you know I have to leave it at that I

903
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:56,520
mean it's funny actually I mean one of

904
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:58,140
the things I'm enjoying in between all

905
00:36:01,849 --> 00:35:59,700
the excitement about bloomgate is

906
00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:01,859
reading Jack fillet's latest volume of

907
00:36:06,950 --> 00:36:03,839
his Diaries the Forbidden Science volume

908
00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:06,960
5. and um you know I'm I mean it's

909
00:36:10,430 --> 00:36:08,700
better than a thriller because you know

910
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,440
in previous volumes we've learned about

911
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:12,540
Richard dematto who you mentioned who

912
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:15,240
was the he'd had the same job by the way

913
00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:17,520
as Christopher Millen on the Senate

914
00:36:23,450 --> 00:36:19,440
intelligence committee 30 or 14 years

915
00:36:25,609 --> 00:36:23,460
ago and he was tasked to investigate

916
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,619
whether there was such a legacy program

917
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:27,839
I mean these questions have been asked

918
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,740
before

919
00:36:32,270 --> 00:36:30,660
and even though Mr D'Amato quite

920
00:36:34,550 --> 00:36:32,280
honorably is refusing to comment

921
00:36:36,290 --> 00:36:34,560
publicly about the issue um it's quite

922
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,300
clear from the conversations that he had

923
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,099
with Jacque Valley at the time

924
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:40,320
and that Jacques for layers Faithfully

925
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,619
recorded in his diary that he was

926
00:36:47,390 --> 00:36:45,480
expressing great frustration and strong

927
00:36:49,310 --> 00:36:47,400
suspicion that there was something that

928
00:36:50,569 --> 00:36:49,320
was being improperly withheld from the

929
00:36:52,609 --> 00:36:50,579
American public

930
00:36:54,290 --> 00:36:52,619
and this is my other concern my other

931
00:36:56,210 --> 00:36:54,300
concern is that everybody seems to

932
00:36:58,010 --> 00:36:56,220
assume that if the Congress finds out

933
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:58,020
about it and if the oversight committees

934
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:00,420
are briefed about it that somehow we're

935
00:37:04,130 --> 00:37:02,520
going to get miraculously told about it

936
00:37:05,569 --> 00:37:04,140
through some kind of Miracle of

937
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:05,579
transparency and openness and

938
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:08,280
accountability by the US Congress nope I

939
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,720
strongly doubt it

940
00:37:13,370 --> 00:37:11,520
I strongly doubt that I mean the

941
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:13,380
imperative that

942
00:37:16,370 --> 00:37:15,060
um Chris Mellon is working towards I

943
00:37:18,050 --> 00:37:16,380
understand and he's always been very

944
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:18,060
careful about stating this is making

945
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,619
sure that

946
00:37:23,870 --> 00:37:22,320
whatever is whatever is truly happening

947
00:37:26,630 --> 00:37:23,880
is brought within the control and

948
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:26,640
oversight of the of the Congress

949
00:37:30,290 --> 00:37:29,099
and look let's devil's advocate for a

950
00:37:33,170 --> 00:37:30,300
moment

951
00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:33,180
if you're the United States and you are

952
00:37:39,530 --> 00:37:37,440
sitting on awesome technology

953
00:37:40,910 --> 00:37:39,540
you know propulsion systems that we've

954
00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:40,920
never seen before

955
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:42,780
energy systems that are completely

956
00:37:52,370 --> 00:37:49,910
they are I'm told potential weapons you

957
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:52,380
know they do represent a threat

958
00:37:55,790 --> 00:37:54,180
in the sense that

959
00:37:58,430 --> 00:37:55,800
once the science is understood

960
00:38:02,030 --> 00:37:58,440
apparently they could be very readily

961
00:38:03,829 --> 00:38:02,040
duplicated and some insane extremist

962
00:38:05,750 --> 00:38:03,839
Nutter could use them to kill a lot of

963
00:38:07,670 --> 00:38:05,760
people so you know I can see the

964
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,680
rationales for why there might be a need

965
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:10,320
for secrecy about the nature of the

966
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:13,800
technology what I can't see

967
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,560
any justification for

968
00:38:20,750 --> 00:38:18,599
is why we can't be told about the

969
00:38:22,010 --> 00:38:20,760
existence of such such Technologies if

970
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:22,020
they exist

971
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:23,640
and and that's the issue that's the

972
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:26,160
that's the Nuance I mean at one stage in

973
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,619
recent months I was being told uh by

974
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,440
sources that um there was an effort to

975
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:34,380
constrain the narratives so that at some

976
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:36,000
stage there was going to be an admission

977
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:39,660
of a non-human Intelligence on this

978
00:38:43,010 --> 00:38:40,800
planet

979
00:38:45,109 --> 00:38:43,020
I don't again I emphasize I'm not saying

980
00:38:46,370 --> 00:38:45,119
I know that that's true but you know

981
00:38:47,870 --> 00:38:46,380
obviously there are a lot of people who

982
00:38:50,210 --> 00:38:47,880
assert that it is

983
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:50,220
and the the suggestion was being made to

984
00:38:53,569 --> 00:38:51,720
me that they would seek to be a

985
00:38:54,829 --> 00:38:53,579
distinction between acknowledgment of a

986
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,839
non-human intelligence and

987
00:38:58,970 --> 00:38:56,880
acknowledgment of Crash retrieval and a

988
00:39:01,010 --> 00:38:58,980
back engineering program that they'd

989
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,020
Endeavor to try and keep that secret

990
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:02,880
I still think that's a possibility but I

991
00:39:07,430 --> 00:39:04,260
think where we are at the moment is

992
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:07,440
getting very very interesting because

993
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:08,339
um

994
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:11,280
we have a bipartisan push in Congress

995
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:13,680
now that's really significant

996
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:16,200
we have a bipartisan push in Congress

997
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,640
for

998
00:39:22,609 --> 00:39:19,200
candor

999
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:22,619
about unidentified objects in our skies

1000
00:39:28,250 --> 00:39:25,619
there is legislation which has mandated

1001
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,260
that oversight committees be told about

1002
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:30,000
things which Katie as you quite rightly

1003
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:32,460
observe if they're not properly reported

1004
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,260
to the gang of eight and just to explain

1005
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:36,119
to listeners the gang of Aid is a group

1006
00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:36,900
of

1007
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:40,740
people in Congress Senators congressmen

1008
00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:43,380
who are entrusted with America's most

1009
00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:46,520
valuable Secrets the waived

1010
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,200
unacknowledged special access programs

1011
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:51,599
secrets so secret they can't even be

1012
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,540
disclosed to the full membership of the

1013
00:39:57,770 --> 00:39:56,280
various committees in Congress and they

1014
00:40:00,349 --> 00:39:57,780
certainly can't be put in writing and

1015
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:00,359
reports and so what they do is they do

1016
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:03,000
oral briefings to the gang of eight in a

1017
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:05,160
skiff in a secure facility in the

1018
00:40:09,770 --> 00:40:07,859
Congress building and

1019
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,780
um funnily enough there's just been a a

1020
00:40:14,569 --> 00:40:12,480
briefing today to the gang of eight uh

1021
00:40:15,890 --> 00:40:14,579
on a completely unrelated issue and I

1022
00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:15,900
was just fascinated to see the gang of

1023
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:18,300
it being mentioned because it is such a

1024
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:19,740
super secret body

1025
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:22,560
but um yeah I mean truly if the gang of

1026
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:24,300
Aid has not been notified and if there's

1027
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,280
been a breach of the oversight reporting

1028
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,320
requirements in the Congress

1029
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:31,200
in my country and in yours that's a

1030
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:33,599
serious breach of parliamentary protocol

1031
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,060
and and Congressional protocol it's a

1032
00:40:42,050 --> 00:40:38,940
you know to withhold evidence from the

1033
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:42,060
body which after all is Sovereign in

1034
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,920
your country I mean it's government of

1035
00:40:48,290 --> 00:40:45,660
the people for the People by the people

1036
00:40:50,390 --> 00:40:48,300
through the Congress it's not the bloody

1037
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:50,400
Pentagon that runs the country you know

1038
00:40:54,829 --> 00:40:52,740
I mean I I don't get it I really don't

1039
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,839
get it because I studied law as a boy

1040
00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:56,280
and one of the things that you're

1041
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:59,099
drummed into you is the power of the

1042
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:01,320
American Constitution you know I've

1043
00:41:06,910 --> 00:41:04,079
grown up the um the very weak English

1044
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:06,920
constitution in Australia

1045
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:10,320
and it is it's very weak it doesn't have

1046
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:12,480
those constitutional protections of

1047
00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:14,760
freedom of Association freedom of speech

1048
00:41:18,829 --> 00:41:16,200
all of the freedoms that you have

1049
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:18,839
enshrined in your constitutional law

1050
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:20,880
there's so much that you should be proud

1051
00:41:26,089 --> 00:41:23,520
of about your accountability and

1052
00:41:28,609 --> 00:41:26,099
transparency systems in your country

1053
00:41:30,950 --> 00:41:28,619
but if what we're talking about here is

1054
00:41:32,630 --> 00:41:30,960
true if there really has been the kind

1055
00:41:35,210 --> 00:41:32,640
of breach of Faith with the American

1056
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,220
Congress and the American public that

1057
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:37,440
we're describing there has been the most

1058
00:41:40,849 --> 00:41:38,820
awful

1059
00:41:42,829 --> 00:41:40,859
breach of

1060
00:41:44,390 --> 00:41:42,839
the relationship between the American

1061
00:41:47,089 --> 00:41:44,400
people and their government

1062
00:41:49,130 --> 00:41:47,099
and that's truly why I suspect it's not

1063
00:41:50,930 --> 00:41:49,140
being revealed there's no good reason

1064
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:50,940
not to talk about it

1065
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,400
sure don't reveal the Technologies don't

1066
00:41:59,210 --> 00:41:56,520
reveal the details of how these weapons

1067
00:42:01,130 --> 00:41:59,220
might be able to be manufactured by all

1068
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,140
means you know God I don't want the

1069
00:42:05,329 --> 00:42:02,880
Russians or the Chinese having these

1070
00:42:07,490 --> 00:42:05,339
capabilities I'd prefer it was America

1071
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,500
but I would prefer that it be done for

1072
00:42:12,410 --> 00:42:09,480
the benefit of the whole planet

1073
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:12,420
not for the exclusive benefit of certain

1074
00:42:16,450 --> 00:42:14,520
aerospace companies and a few privileged

1075
00:42:18,349 --> 00:42:16,460
people in the military who probably get

1076
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:18,359
directorships and positions in those

1077
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:19,560
companies after they've left the

1078
00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:21,300
military I mean how long has this been

1079
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:22,680
going on for

1080
00:42:26,270 --> 00:42:24,420
and I think the White House is starting

1081
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:26,280
to ask those questions

1082
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,480
good

1083
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,579
no absolutely I think you bring up

1084
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:30,960
incredible points and that actually

1085
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,500
brings me to my next question is amidst

1086
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:36,720
all of this going on in the U.S of

1087
00:42:40,190 --> 00:42:38,040
course there's the recognition that this

1088
00:42:43,550 --> 00:42:40,200
is not solely a problem that affects my

1089
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,560
country and assuming that project Titan

1090
00:42:48,650 --> 00:42:46,140
moves forward as is currently scheduled

1091
00:42:51,230 --> 00:42:48,660
we can expect a proposal submitted to

1092
00:42:53,690 --> 00:42:51,240
the UN in October

1093
00:42:56,510 --> 00:42:53,700
um a Committee hearing of some sort

1094
00:42:59,930 --> 00:42:56,520
shortly thereafter and hopefully a un

1095
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:59,940
general assembly vote in December and so

1096
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:01,680
you know between the three of us here we

1097
00:43:06,970 --> 00:43:05,099
have three to maybe four for you Ross of

1098
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:06,980
the five five eyes

1099
00:43:12,890 --> 00:43:09,420
represented in this room and so my

1100
00:43:14,210 --> 00:43:12,900
question is when we go to the U.N this

1101
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:14,220
is going to be a completely different

1102
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:16,440
body of individuals it's not Pentagon

1103
00:43:19,430 --> 00:43:17,819
officials in the room it's not

1104
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:19,440
intelligence officials in the room it's

1105
00:43:24,410 --> 00:43:22,500
un ambassadors and so I'm really curious

1106
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,420
to hear your opinion on how that is

1107
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:26,880
going to go how we might have to adjust

1108
00:43:33,770 --> 00:43:31,040
our approach to make sure that um it is

1109
00:43:36,770 --> 00:43:33,780
effective and what you see happening in

1110
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:39,530
oh boy crystal ball um

1111
00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:41,640
yeah I don't know about the un thing I

1112
00:43:45,170 --> 00:43:43,260
mean I mean obviously a previous U.N

1113
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:45,180
effort failed miserably because it was

1114
00:43:48,970 --> 00:43:47,220
done through Granada and now it's being

1115
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:48,980
done through another very small country

1116
00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:51,420
and I guess the issue is going to boil

1117
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:53,880
down to whether the the key votes that

1118
00:43:59,210 --> 00:43:56,160
have the right of veto are going to veto

1119
00:44:01,250 --> 00:43:59,220
it and uh will the U.S veto a vote in

1120
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:01,260
the United Nations

1121
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:02,880
um on whether or not you know there

1122
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:04,140
should be greater disclosure and

1123
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:06,300
transparency on uaps we don't yet know

1124
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,359
what the vote will be actually voting on

1125
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:12,300
from the San Marino initiative

1126
00:44:18,710 --> 00:44:15,300
but um again that's a really good

1127
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:18,720
question why are the media not asking

1128
00:44:23,210 --> 00:44:21,240
questions about what it is that is going

1129
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:23,220
to come out of the San Marino push for

1130
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,780
some kind of Greater disclosure at the

1131
00:44:27,589 --> 00:44:25,680
U.N

1132
00:44:29,630 --> 00:44:27,599
you know why has there not been from the

1133
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:29,640
UN coverage that's done by the major

1134
00:44:34,430 --> 00:44:32,460
newspapers in Washington and New York

1135
00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:34,440
why hasn't there been any effort to

1136
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,180
actually even give any kind of publicity

1137
00:44:39,290 --> 00:44:37,440
to the issue

1138
00:44:42,109 --> 00:44:39,300
you know I think we just have to call it

1139
00:44:43,609 --> 00:44:42,119
for what it is it's not just

1140
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,619
oversight

1141
00:44:49,309 --> 00:44:46,740
you know it's supine acquiescence by the

1142
00:44:50,809 --> 00:44:49,319
media who know frankly that if they

1143
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,819
start asking questions about these

1144
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:52,500
issues they get

1145
00:44:57,230 --> 00:44:54,900
isolated marginalized

1146
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:57,240
and it's time frankly for the media to

1147
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:58,680
start asking questions about that kind

1148
00:45:01,790 --> 00:44:59,700
of stuff

1149
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,800
and also I think it's incumbent on the

1150
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:04,079
public to actually say look you know I

1151
00:45:07,190 --> 00:45:05,520
care about this stuff

1152
00:45:09,470 --> 00:45:07,200
you know get onto your Congressman or

1153
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:09,480
your congresswoman or your Senator and

1154
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:11,700
say look I I'm really interested in this

1155
00:45:15,710 --> 00:45:13,680
issue I am worried about incursions into

1156
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:15,720
American airspace and rightly you should

1157
00:45:18,170 --> 00:45:16,560
be

1158
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:18,180
I mean

1159
00:45:24,109 --> 00:45:21,359
you know it is amazing you know I keep

1160
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,119
on coming back to the issue that we now

1161
00:45:30,290 --> 00:45:26,940
know as a result of balloon gate

1162
00:45:33,770 --> 00:45:30,300
that the military of the United States

1163
00:45:34,970 --> 00:45:33,780
was turning down the sensitivity of its

1164
00:45:38,510 --> 00:45:34,980
radars

1165
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,520
to avoid predicting things which we now

1166
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,800
know we're a threat to flight safety

1167
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:43,440
yeah makes you feel really good as an

1168
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,240
American

1169
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:46,800
you're feeling safe America boy I

1170
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:49,560
wouldn't you know I mean I mean you know

1171
00:45:55,190 --> 00:45:52,619
the amazing thing about it is they let a

1172
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,200
balloon which they knew had come from

1173
00:46:00,349 --> 00:45:58,319
China and this the breathtaking fact in

1174
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:00,359
the media reports that I find absolutely

1175
00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:03,900
amazing is it had a payload equivalent

1176
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:07,880
to three buses underneath it

1177
00:46:13,970 --> 00:46:11,760
three buses imagine the uh the bombs or

1178
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,980
the nerve agents or the explosives you

1179
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:16,140
could have put on a an object oh we were

1180
00:46:23,390 --> 00:46:20,240
we were Russ we were all imagining it

1181
00:46:25,730 --> 00:46:23,400
and and the fact that

1182
00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,740
the media now aren't asking any further

1183
00:46:30,050 --> 00:46:27,720
questions about this when the pentagon's

1184
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,060
saying hey guys Believers you know we

1185
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,160
know what these objects are but we can't

1186
00:46:36,650 --> 00:46:34,560
tell you of it we can't tell you why we

1187
00:46:38,510 --> 00:46:36,660
know that you sure as hell can't

1188
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,520
actually let you interview the pilots we

1189
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,280
can't let you see the videos and

1190
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:43,140
um we can't explain why we know this but

1191
00:46:50,329 --> 00:46:46,859
you've just gotta trust us trust us guys

1192
00:46:53,390 --> 00:46:50,339
I mean why why should you trust them

1193
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,400
and at what stage does American Media

1194
00:46:58,250 --> 00:46:56,280
and public officials particularly the

1195
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,260
politicians start developing a spine and

1196
00:47:01,790 --> 00:47:00,480
start asking questions in in Congress

1197
00:47:03,890 --> 00:47:01,800
about this

1198
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:03,900
you know who's going to take it to them

1199
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:06,599
because frankly the lesson of the last

1200
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:10,440
two weeks since that incident is that as

1201
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:12,060
soon as the

1202
00:47:17,150 --> 00:47:14,520
I think inadequate explanation came out

1203
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:17,160
that we now surmised these are hobby

1204
00:47:21,050 --> 00:47:19,920
balloons based on absolutely no evidence

1205
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,060
whatsoever

1206
00:47:24,430 --> 00:47:23,160
we now surmise that these are hobby

1207
00:47:26,750 --> 00:47:24,440
balloons

1208
00:47:28,849 --> 00:47:26,760
we don't have any evidence of any

1209
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:28,859
recovery operation or any attempted

1210
00:47:33,770 --> 00:47:31,380
recovery or any successful recovery but

1211
00:47:35,930 --> 00:47:33,780
police trust us we're very sure that

1212
00:47:38,569 --> 00:47:35,940
they were probably possibly hobby

1213
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:38,579
balloons or some kind of balloon so

1214
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:40,560
please go away back to your little homes

1215
00:47:48,109 --> 00:47:44,280
and don't bother us anymore end of story

1216
00:47:50,210 --> 00:47:48,119
and you know what America bought it

1217
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,220
that that's what worries me about this

1218
00:47:55,130 --> 00:47:52,800
that the lesson from

1219
00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:55,140
previous incidents Project Blue Book

1220
00:48:02,630 --> 00:47:59,339
Richard dematto's efforts in the 1970s

1221
00:48:04,609 --> 00:48:02,640
um the the efforts 55 years ago to get

1222
00:48:06,710 --> 00:48:04,619
some kind of congressional inquiry going

1223
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,720
under Gerald Ford

1224
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:08,400
all of those failed

1225
00:48:13,069 --> 00:48:11,160
and they'll file it they'll fail again

1226
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,079
if you let them

1227
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:15,599
it's as simple as that if America wants

1228
00:48:22,609 --> 00:48:19,680
to know it has to demand the truth

1229
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,619
this is a unique opportunity

1230
00:48:26,809 --> 00:48:25,560
and and the only way that that things

1231
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:26,819
will happen

1232
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:29,099
because I mean we've never had I mean

1233
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:30,480
okay

1234
00:48:35,809 --> 00:48:32,819
um if you go right back to the days of

1235
00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:35,819
Roscoe hillenkotter I mean I love my

1236
00:48:39,410 --> 00:48:37,740
history I mean I'm sorry I'll just

1237
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,420
indulge me here for a moment I mean of

1238
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:42,000
course you had the founding director of

1239
00:48:47,569 --> 00:48:45,359
the CIA Roscoe hillenkaha a man who at

1240
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:47,579
one stage was in a command position on

1241
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,800
one of your greatest battleships in the

1242
00:48:54,530 --> 00:48:52,140
World War II one of the most respected

1243
00:48:57,050 --> 00:48:54,540
military officials in the U.S military

1244
00:48:58,970 --> 00:48:57,060
a man entrusted with all of the secrets

1245
00:49:01,790 --> 00:48:58,980
who'd actually presided over a lot of

1246
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,800
the early cover-ups uh involving you

1247
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,420
know uaps

1248
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:05,760
who came out and helped found an

1249
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:08,220
organization called nicap one of the

1250
00:49:12,890 --> 00:49:11,760
early UAP UFO advocacy organizations for

1251
00:49:14,750 --> 00:49:12,900
transparency

1252
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,760
and he made it very very clear he

1253
00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:16,740
believed had been a cover-up

1254
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:19,380
so what goes around comes around these

1255
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:20,940
things have happened before public

1256
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:23,280
officials are spoken at before

1257
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:25,800
I don't think there's ever been the

1258
00:49:31,309 --> 00:49:29,760
degree of official Candor including from

1259
00:49:33,950 --> 00:49:31,319
former presidents

1260
00:49:37,069 --> 00:49:33,960
who are intimating very very strongly

1261
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:37,079
that there's something to this right and

1262
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:40,020
I don't know I mean I I I know a lot of

1263
00:49:44,470 --> 00:49:41,520
people think that the push is going to

1264
00:49:46,970 --> 00:49:44,480
come from Congress but frankly

1265
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:46,980
congressmen congresswoman they don't

1266
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:49,020
really do anything until the public

1267
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,240
tells them they need to be reassured

1268
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,000
that this is an issue of primary public

1269
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,640
concern and I don't think they're seeing

1270
00:50:00,470 --> 00:49:58,079
that right now and the lesson from

1271
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,480
balloon gate is just how easy it is to

1272
00:50:05,809 --> 00:50:02,460
hose the whole thing done by using

1273
00:50:08,329 --> 00:50:05,819
ridicule I mean what media person wanted

1274
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:08,339
to continue to push to investigate this

1275
00:50:12,829 --> 00:50:11,099
issue when press conferences were told

1276
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,839
that you know hey guys you know don't

1277
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,220
make a fool of yourself these are

1278
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:16,079
probably just hobby balloons

1279
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:17,760
but even then they should have seen the

1280
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:19,859
blood in the water because you've got a

1281
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:21,540
president of the United States that

1282
00:50:27,230 --> 00:50:24,240
ordered attacks on hobby Balloons with

1283
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:27,240
four hundred thousand dollar missiles

1284
00:50:31,010 --> 00:50:29,099
seriously and if we knew all these

1285
00:50:33,170 --> 00:50:31,020
objects hundreds of these objects are

1286
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:33,180
intervening into American airspace all

1287
00:50:37,670 --> 00:50:34,500
the time why did we bring these

1288
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,680
particular objects done there are basic

1289
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:39,900
questions that need to be asked and

1290
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:42,540
frankly nobody's asking them that's my

1291
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:44,700
point

1292
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,420
yeah on a separate note as well we've

1293
00:50:52,430 --> 00:50:49,920
had the conversation recently about

1294
00:50:55,010 --> 00:50:52,440
these UAP appearing in active War zones

1295
00:50:57,049 --> 00:50:55,020
as well this is another thing that's

1296
00:50:58,730 --> 00:50:57,059
considerably worrying if these things

1297
00:51:01,309 --> 00:50:58,740
are happening what's your take on all of

1298
00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,319
that well I mean let's start with that

1299
00:51:06,109 --> 00:51:04,440
there's the mosul orb yeah I mean I've

1300
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,119
been briefed by somebody who'd seen that

1301
00:51:09,530 --> 00:51:07,440
video in one of the Congressional

1302
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:09,540
briefings and they told me it was an

1303
00:51:14,990 --> 00:51:12,240
amazing image and it's part of a video

1304
00:51:18,049 --> 00:51:15,000
and the video is even more interesting

1305
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:18,059
now I think um Jeremy and um Jeremy

1306
00:51:21,349 --> 00:51:19,619
Corbell and Georgia Knapp have made the

1307
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,359
decision probably quite properly that

1308
00:51:25,870 --> 00:51:23,280
they don't want to reveal too much about

1309
00:51:28,250 --> 00:51:25,880
the methods and the capabilities of U.S

1310
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:28,260
reconnaissance systems

1311
00:51:32,089 --> 00:51:30,119
by showing the video

1312
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,099
but what they do show is quite profound

1313
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:34,319
and you know I've more than verified The

1314
00:51:38,329 --> 00:51:36,240
Bona fides of that video it's not a

1315
00:51:40,130 --> 00:51:38,339
puddle of water as some idiot speculated

1316
00:51:43,309 --> 00:51:40,140
online

1317
00:51:45,890 --> 00:51:43,319
um it's an option that flew through the

1318
00:51:48,290 --> 00:51:45,900
viewfinder of the camera on the spy

1319
00:51:50,270 --> 00:51:48,300
plane and it's one of multiple such

1320
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:50,280
objects that have been detected across

1321
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,359
the Middle East

1322
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:53,400
and I can tell you that Australian

1323
00:51:58,450 --> 00:51:56,640
military pilots on deployment in the

1324
00:52:00,589 --> 00:51:58,460
Middle East have had similar sightings

1325
00:52:02,809 --> 00:52:00,599
unexplained which they've reported to

1326
00:52:03,890 --> 00:52:02,819
the commanders and been ignored

1327
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:03,900
I mean

1328
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,319
at what stage do you engage with with

1329
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,599
issues like that uh what stage does the

1330
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,480
media go excuse me Mr President

1331
00:52:17,450 --> 00:52:14,880
we know that you're talking about

1332
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:17,460
what you say are just balloons in

1333
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,260
American airspace but there's a lesson

1334
00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:21,420
from this the lesson from this is that

1335
00:52:27,049 --> 00:52:23,720
yet again

1336
00:52:28,970 --> 00:52:27,059
22 years after 9 11.

1337
00:52:30,589 --> 00:52:28,980
there has been another egregious

1338
00:52:33,530 --> 00:52:30,599
intelligence failure

1339
00:52:37,010 --> 00:52:33,540
that allowed breaches by unidentified

1340
00:52:40,010 --> 00:52:37,020
objects into American airspace

1341
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,020
you know how do you know sir

1342
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,760
that those objects that were sent up

1343
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:43,440
weren't testing

1344
00:52:47,510 --> 00:52:45,540
the capabilities of American radar

1345
00:52:51,530 --> 00:52:47,520
sensor systems

1346
00:52:53,329 --> 00:52:51,540
is it only because of the focus of good

1347
00:52:57,049 --> 00:52:53,339
men like Christopher melon and Louis

1348
00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:57,059
zondo on revealing the ridiculous

1349
00:53:01,609 --> 00:52:59,400
failures by the U.S intelligence

1350
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:01,619
community in the military in deploying

1351
00:53:06,349 --> 00:53:04,260
resources to properly investigate uaps

1352
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:06,359
is it only because of their Noble

1353
00:53:10,370 --> 00:53:07,920
efforts before the Congress to actually

1354
00:53:13,069 --> 00:53:10,380
make sure that there be data collection

1355
00:53:14,990 --> 00:53:13,079
that starts looking at this issue that

1356
00:53:17,089 --> 00:53:15,000
you actually for the first time looked

1357
00:53:19,010 --> 00:53:17,099
properly and started picking up objects

1358
00:53:21,290 --> 00:53:19,020
that you now admit you always knew were

1359
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,300
there all the time which do pose a

1360
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:22,800
flight safety risk because you shot them

1361
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:24,420
down

1362
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,440
now

1363
00:53:28,609 --> 00:53:27,359
I would have thought that one of the

1364
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:28,619
great interviewers of American

1365
00:53:34,370 --> 00:53:31,500
television would have had a ball putting

1366
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:34,380
the National Security advisor or the

1367
00:53:38,930 --> 00:53:36,300
Pentagon General I've forgotten his name

1368
00:53:41,630 --> 00:53:38,940
General van kuwick

1369
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,640
what's his name General van hurk Glenn

1370
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,160
Van Hook why in God's name when people

1371
00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:45,839
had the opportunity to question these

1372
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,700
people didn't they ask them questions

1373
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:50,280
like that isn't what we're talking about

1374
00:53:55,250 --> 00:53:52,800
here sir I'm absolutely appalling

1375
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:55,260
intelligence failure Chris melon's been

1376
00:53:59,630 --> 00:53:57,839
talking about the potential for uaps to

1377
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:59,640
be another Pearl Harbor or another

1378
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,619
Spanish event

1379
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:03,540
he's been proved right

1380
00:54:08,270 --> 00:54:06,900
so why isn't the American Media why

1381
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:08,280
isn't some Brave Congressman

1382
00:54:12,589 --> 00:54:10,260
congresswoman taking this issue and

1383
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,599
running with it

1384
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,839
I I I I don't get it I really don't I

1385
00:54:19,309 --> 00:54:17,280
mean because I mean it really should be

1386
00:54:22,370 --> 00:54:19,319
a subject at the Forefront of American

1387
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:22,380
concern because we now know that there

1388
00:54:26,569 --> 00:54:24,359
have been illegal incursions of American

1389
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:26,579
airspace by objects to even the American

1390
00:54:30,349 --> 00:54:29,040
Military admits it doesn't know what

1391
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,359
they are

1392
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:32,700
how do we know that there isn't some

1393
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,319
Nation that's been surveilling your

1394
00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:37,440
airspace with ill intention

1395
00:54:43,309 --> 00:54:40,920
we don't we don't and and what's the

1396
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,319
point of spending trillions of dollars

1397
00:54:48,470 --> 00:54:46,020
on the world's most powerful military if

1398
00:54:50,030 --> 00:54:48,480
it can't defend American airspace

1399
00:54:52,089 --> 00:54:50,040
I mean I don't know I mean I care about

1400
00:54:54,589 --> 00:54:52,099
that issued I'm not even an American

1401
00:54:56,329 --> 00:54:54,599
I love you guys you know you're our Ally

1402
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,339
we've fought wars together since World

1403
00:54:59,809 --> 00:54:57,599
War One

1404
00:55:03,290 --> 00:54:59,819
I mean for God's sake

1405
00:55:05,690 --> 00:55:03,300
wake up rattle the cage the one thing

1406
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,700
that I admire about America is it's a

1407
00:55:10,190 --> 00:55:07,619
country that has a history of

1408
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:10,200
questioning probing

1409
00:55:14,329 --> 00:55:11,520
digging

1410
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,339
what has happened in the last 10 to 20

1411
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,040
years to stop people from feeling that

1412
00:55:21,230 --> 00:55:19,380
they can challenge authority it's not a

1413
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:21,240
bad thing to take a question to a

1414
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:23,280
political leader if you're sitting at a

1415
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:24,960
press conference you don't have to be

1416
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,040
subservient and and submissive

1417
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:31,200
your job as a journalist is to ask

1418
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:33,599
questions that are often making that

1419
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:36,079
person uncomfortable right and frankly

1420
00:55:46,490 --> 00:55:43,849
well and you know as some of our closest

1421
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:46,500
allies you know is there

1422
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,640
is there a role to play for some Ally to

1423
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,040
Ally conversations about this you know

1424
00:55:58,010 --> 00:55:55,500
you mentioned that some Australian

1425
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,020
troops are having similar experiences

1426
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,300
you know is this something that you

1427
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:01,680
think we need to be addressing at the

1428
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:03,900
five eyes level more closely

1429
00:56:07,250 --> 00:56:05,880
well I mean I can tell you I know from

1430
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,260
my own sources that there's already

1431
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,839
extensive data sharing on uaps between

1432
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:11,579
the five eyes Nations whatever they say

1433
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:14,160
public and I mean we have a we have a

1434
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,540
chief of Defense Force who's given

1435
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:17,099
evidence to a parliamentary committee

1436
00:56:21,530 --> 00:56:19,440
that look frankly I think at best is

1437
00:56:23,630 --> 00:56:21,540
disingenuous because

1438
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:23,640
I know what they know

1439
00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:25,980
and and they're not being entirely

1440
00:56:29,870 --> 00:56:27,660
candid with the Australian public or the

1441
00:56:33,290 --> 00:56:29,880
Australian Parliament and so we have a

1442
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:33,300
really interesting situation where

1443
00:56:37,609 --> 00:56:35,460
um I know that officers have been orally

1444
00:56:38,890 --> 00:56:37,619
briefed on what they call uncorrelated

1445
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:38,900
targets

1446
00:56:44,270 --> 00:56:41,700
why the decision is made to not put

1447
00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:44,280
these reports in writing why the

1448
00:56:48,349 --> 00:56:46,380
decision is made to compartmentalize

1449
00:56:50,329 --> 00:56:48,359
that information in such a way that

1450
00:56:52,250 --> 00:56:50,339
senior people in command Authority may

1451
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:52,260
not necessarily know about them

1452
00:56:56,990 --> 00:56:55,559
is entirely up to them but I I know for

1453
00:56:58,670 --> 00:56:57,000
a fact that there's been a cozy

1454
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:58,680
intelligence sharing issue going on

1455
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,540
between the five eyes Nations for many

1456
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,220
years on this issue

1457
00:57:05,809 --> 00:57:04,319
and it's also with countries like France

1458
00:57:08,329 --> 00:57:05,819
which isn't a member of the five eyes

1459
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:08,339
right countries like Brazil

1460
00:57:12,530 --> 00:57:09,839
you know countries all around the world

1461
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,540
including even Russia in the good days

1462
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:15,119
after the comic War you know if you read

1463
00:57:19,250 --> 00:57:17,280
the British condyn report that Vinnie

1464
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:19,260
will know well which was a report

1465
00:57:23,630 --> 00:57:20,579
commissioned by the British government

1466
00:57:25,370 --> 00:57:23,640
to actually look at the UAP issue the

1467
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:25,380
extent of intelligence sharing after the

1468
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,920
end of the Cold War in 1989 1990

1469
00:57:33,049 --> 00:57:31,260
revealed that right through the Cold War

1470
00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:33,059
the Americans thought these objects were

1471
00:57:35,990 --> 00:57:34,440
the Russians and the Russians thought

1472
00:57:37,609 --> 00:57:36,000
these objects were the Americans and

1473
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:37,619
then everybody realized when the war

1474
00:57:41,630 --> 00:57:39,720
came down that it wasn't

1475
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:41,640
and there was a degree of collaboration

1476
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:44,160
in those early days where as George

1477
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:46,440
Knapp's stories in the united in the

1478
00:57:50,569 --> 00:57:49,140
USSR revealed Russian officials were

1479
00:57:52,910 --> 00:57:50,579
really candid that they'd been

1480
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:52,920
investigating these UFOs there was a

1481
00:57:58,069 --> 00:57:55,859
huge investigation by the Russians

1482
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,079
and so I think it's not just a five eyes

1483
00:58:02,030 --> 00:58:00,359
issue it's an international issue and

1484
00:58:05,089 --> 00:58:02,040
they're funnily enough that's an issue

1485
00:58:06,230 --> 00:58:05,099
that I noted um Marco Rubio made the

1486
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,240
point about

1487
00:58:09,530 --> 00:58:08,640
you know um he came out of the briefing

1488
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,540
and he said you know this isn't a

1489
00:58:12,349 --> 00:58:11,040
briefing this isn't an issue just for

1490
00:58:13,609 --> 00:58:12,359
the United States this is an

1491
00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:13,619
international issue

1492
00:58:18,410 --> 00:58:16,260
and you know when the media are being

1493
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:18,420
told that sort of stuff why why do they

1494
00:58:24,589 --> 00:58:21,599
just accept it I mean

1495
00:58:27,410 --> 00:58:24,599
seeing as Chris melon has been proved

1496
00:58:30,170 --> 00:58:27,420
right and frankly he would know because

1497
00:58:31,609 --> 00:58:30,180
you know he was a senior staff who were

1498
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:31,619
the Senate intelligence committee and

1499
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:33,780
his youth he went on to become a an

1500
00:58:39,710 --> 00:58:36,180
under secretary for defense intelligence

1501
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:39,720
and security uh later on

1502
00:58:42,770 --> 00:58:41,880
um you know the the statement that he

1503
00:58:45,410 --> 00:58:42,780
gave

1504
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:45,420
has asserted that the Navy has been

1505
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:48,359
notably helpful in investigating the UAP

1506
00:58:54,109 --> 00:58:51,359
issue and he flatly asserts that the Air

1507
00:58:57,890 --> 00:58:54,119
Force has remained notably unhelpful if

1508
00:58:59,150 --> 00:58:57,900
not hostile to inquiries on the subject

1509
00:59:01,910 --> 00:58:59,160
not

1510
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:01,920
if I was the Biden White House I would

1511
00:59:05,930 --> 00:59:04,559
read a statement like that and say we

1512
00:59:08,329 --> 00:59:05,940
want to know more about that what do you

1513
00:59:11,390 --> 00:59:09,829
and then if they didn't get an adequate

1514
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,400
answer they'd go to the Air Force and

1515
00:59:15,650 --> 00:59:14,160
they'd say what the hell is going on you

1516
00:59:18,890 --> 00:59:15,660
guys know

1517
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:18,900
yeah and why I mean frankly why does the

1518
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:20,700
American public put up with a situation

1519
00:59:25,130 --> 00:59:23,339
where certain arms of the military or

1520
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:25,140
the intelligence Services behave like

1521
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:26,520
near The Sovereign government of the

1522
00:59:31,250 --> 00:59:27,839
United States

1523
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,260
they're answerable to your Congress

1524
00:59:36,010 --> 00:59:33,359
and the evidence would suggest that

1525
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:36,020
individuals within certain military

1526
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:39,960
agencies have sought to subvert

1527
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,960
the accountability controls that The

1528
00:59:46,250 --> 00:59:44,880
Sovereign arm of your nation the

1529
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,260
Congress

1530
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:48,720
have traditionally imposed to make sure

1531
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:51,720
that money is spent in the right places

1532
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:54,000
this is why this matters this is such a

1533
00:59:57,650 --> 00:59:56,040
serious issue you know I mean no

1534
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,660
disrespect to your country when I say

1535
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,240
I'm truly shocked at how your

1536
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,920
infrastructure is falling apart in your

1537
01:00:07,190 --> 01:00:03,839
country you know roads are falling out

1538
01:00:08,770 --> 01:00:07,200
yeah I mean I Learned to Drive slowly in

1539
01:00:12,170 --> 01:00:08,780
certain States

1540
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,180
because yeah potholes as large as cars

1541
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:14,880
you know things aren't being built and a

1542
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:16,440
large part of it is because so much

1543
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:18,299
money is going into your military and

1544
01:00:22,430 --> 01:00:20,640
intelligence community and in some cases

1545
01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:22,440
quite rightly because of the lessons of

1546
01:00:28,430 --> 01:00:27,299
9 11. but you had incidents where you

1547
01:00:29,210 --> 01:00:28,440
know shortly

1548
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:29,220
um

1549
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:32,040
shortly before the most recent Gulf War

1550
01:00:35,930 --> 01:00:34,200
you know we were hearing from a defense

1551
01:00:38,750 --> 01:00:35,940
secretary that um

1552
01:00:42,049 --> 01:00:38,760
uh trillion a trillion dollars was

1553
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:42,059
missing in the U.S defense budget

1554
01:00:44,990 --> 01:00:43,440
you know oh you want to get into the

1555
01:00:47,390 --> 01:00:45,000
Pentagon audits that's a whole other

1556
01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:47,400
podcast

1557
01:00:51,650 --> 01:00:49,079
with an announcement yet again it's

1558
01:00:53,809 --> 01:00:51,660
almost become a um a ritual of Passage

1559
01:00:55,609 --> 01:00:53,819
that every year the government

1560
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,619
Accounting Office makes the observation

1561
01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:57,660
that they were unable to reconcile the

1562
01:01:04,329 --> 01:00:59,220
audit for the defense department of the

1563
01:01:08,569 --> 01:01:06,950
you know why when you can't pay the

1564
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:08,579
bills for your own roads when you've got

1565
01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:10,440
a Health Care system that is an absolute

1566
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,720
catastrophe you know when you've got a

1567
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:14,460
homeless epidemic on the streets of your

1568
01:01:19,789 --> 01:01:16,920
major cities why are people not asking

1569
01:01:23,809 --> 01:01:19,799
why their military is given such

1570
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,030
I mean I have lots of thoughts about it

1571
01:01:31,130 --> 01:01:28,799
but this isn't about me I mean I I think

1572
01:01:32,690 --> 01:01:31,140
I think in the in the US you know we

1573
01:01:34,250 --> 01:01:32,700
have we have such a reverence for the

1574
01:01:35,690 --> 01:01:34,260
military and I think in some situations

1575
01:01:37,910 --> 01:01:35,700
that's

1576
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:37,920
um turned into an unwillingness to

1577
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:40,500
question you know which can be very very

1578
01:01:44,990 --> 01:01:42,780
problematic and I think you properly

1579
01:01:46,130 --> 01:01:45,000
pointed out so my question is when are

1580
01:01:49,690 --> 01:01:46,140
you going to come over here and help

1581
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:53,329
yeah I mean I'd love to I mean the the

1582
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:54,660
um

1583
01:01:59,410 --> 01:01:57,599
I mean I would love nothing more than to

1584
01:02:03,049 --> 01:01:59,420
be in charge of an investigative team

1585
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:03,059
that deploy and I can assure you that

1586
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:04,920
one of the things that is a joy to be

1587
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:07,319
part of is when a media organization

1588
01:02:12,470 --> 01:02:09,180
smells blood in the water

1589
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,480
and deploys a team of fine investigative

1590
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:14,400
journalists to start digging into an

1591
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:16,020
issue I'm really proud to have been

1592
01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:17,339
involved in some fantastic

1593
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:20,700
investigations and I'm part of a

1594
01:02:24,650 --> 01:02:23,220
a collaborative group called icij The

1595
01:02:26,750 --> 01:02:24,660
International

1596
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:26,760
Consortium of investigative journalists

1597
01:02:31,069 --> 01:02:28,440
that was set up by a guy called Chuck

1598
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:31,079
Lewis who is the former 60 Minutes

1599
01:02:35,990 --> 01:02:33,000
producer who um

1600
01:02:38,510 --> 01:02:36,000
who persuaded the guy who blew the

1601
01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:38,520
whistle on big tobacco you know The

1602
01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:40,980
Insider it led to The Insider movie

1603
01:02:45,289 --> 01:02:43,380
and and you know I've I've met some of

1604
01:02:48,109 --> 01:02:45,299
your greatest journalists in your

1605
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:48,119
country and it's a privilege to know

1606
01:02:52,609 --> 01:02:50,460
fantastic media you know you've got a

1607
01:02:55,010 --> 01:02:52,619
fantastic media over there but

1608
01:02:56,510 --> 01:02:55,020
the problem is as is happening in my

1609
01:02:57,470 --> 01:02:56,520
country

1610
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:57,480
um

1611
01:03:01,789 --> 01:02:59,579
the media institutions that we've

1612
01:03:05,650 --> 01:03:01,799
traditionally entrusted to investigate

1613
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:05,660
things like Watergate or Iran Contra or

1614
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,119
BCCI or shocking scandals you know in

1615
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,760
American politic

1616
01:03:15,109 --> 01:03:13,740
they don't have the resources anymore to

1617
01:03:17,329 --> 01:03:15,119
do the kind of dig that we're talking

1618
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:17,339
about and it's funny because everybody

1619
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,980
seems to be waiting for somebody else to

1620
01:03:23,870 --> 01:03:21,480
start asking the questions and start

1621
01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:23,880
doing the Dig you know we're obsessed

1622
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:26,220
with the January 6 Insurgency which is

1623
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,140
Frank Frankly I mean why do we need an

1624
01:03:31,970 --> 01:03:29,520
inquiry to know that there was an

1625
01:03:33,109 --> 01:03:31,980
Insurgency you know conspiracy was

1626
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:33,119
coming down the government of the United

1627
01:03:36,950 --> 01:03:35,280
States imagine if those resources

1628
01:03:39,289 --> 01:03:36,960
actually been spent on investigating

1629
01:03:42,589 --> 01:03:39,299
what we're all talking about here

1630
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:42,599
you know yeah there's been ample

1631
01:03:47,870 --> 01:03:45,540
evidence provided by officials former

1632
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:47,880
and serving to suggest that there has

1633
01:03:51,349 --> 01:03:49,799
been the most egregious breach of Faith

1634
01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:51,359
with the American public possibly

1635
01:03:55,549 --> 01:03:53,040
illegal

1636
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:55,559
it's time it was investigated

1637
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:58,079
it's time to put people on the back foot

1638
01:04:02,210 --> 01:04:00,240
instead asking questions

1639
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:02,220
and and the the problem is this is

1640
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,599
happening at a time when media

1641
01:04:07,730 --> 01:04:06,240
organizations are being gutted when the

1642
01:04:08,990 --> 01:04:07,740
first thing to go is investigative

1643
01:04:12,109 --> 01:04:09,000
journalism

1644
01:04:12,770 --> 01:04:12,119
uh it's very sad because

1645
01:04:14,870 --> 01:04:12,780
um

1646
01:04:16,789 --> 01:04:14,880
you know once great institutions I don't

1647
01:04:18,470 --> 01:04:16,799
think a Woodward and Bernstein Watergate

1648
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:18,480
style inquiry would be allowed to happen

1649
01:04:21,470 --> 01:04:19,559
today

1650
01:04:23,630 --> 01:04:21,480
that's the tragedy I mean the wash post

1651
01:04:25,309 --> 01:04:23,640
is a great newspaper and Jeff Bezos is

1652
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:25,319
funding it well

1653
01:04:29,930 --> 01:04:26,940
but um

1654
01:04:31,609 --> 01:04:29,940
I do question with her with the nature

1655
01:04:33,349 --> 01:04:31,619
of the security constraints that are

1656
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:33,359
imposed on media these days it would

1657
01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,040
even be possible to do that kind of a

1658
01:04:40,549 --> 01:04:37,140
story I mean the level of surveillance

1659
01:04:42,530 --> 01:04:40,559
of media the the level of antagonism of

1660
01:04:44,809 --> 01:04:42,540
media who ask questions legitimate

1661
01:04:46,430 --> 01:04:44,819
questions about National Security

1662
01:04:48,349 --> 01:04:46,440
I mean look at um there's a friend of

1663
01:04:50,089 --> 01:04:48,359
mine James risen who who asked

1664
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,099
legitimate questions revealing the

1665
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:52,799
illegality of certain NSA operations

1666
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:53,819
against

1667
01:04:56,990 --> 01:04:55,680
the American public with mass

1668
01:04:58,490 --> 01:04:57,000
wiretapping

1669
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:58,500
I mean I think the part of the problem

1670
01:05:01,490 --> 01:05:00,000
was that a large part of the American

1671
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,500
public didn't understand the

1672
01:05:05,450 --> 01:05:03,359
significance of what was being explained

1673
01:05:07,849 --> 01:05:05,460
here but you know one of the most

1674
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:07,859
powerful weapons that can be deployed

1675
01:05:12,170 --> 01:05:10,500
against any group of individuals is

1676
01:05:13,730 --> 01:05:12,180
surveillance of their Communications

1677
01:05:14,750 --> 01:05:13,740
what are they saying what are they

1678
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,760
hearing

1679
01:05:19,370 --> 01:05:16,400
and you know you have the most

1680
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:19,380
incredible powerful agencies in your

1681
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,280
government

1682
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:22,260
and I've met good people in those

1683
01:05:25,970 --> 01:05:23,880
agencies who respect and understand

1684
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:25,980
particularly the NSA by the way who

1685
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:27,599
respect and understand that there are

1686
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:30,960
rules that they have to abide by

1687
01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:32,400
the big lesson

1688
01:05:39,470 --> 01:05:36,240
from things like the um

1689
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:39,480
countable Pro incidents where the CIA

1690
01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:42,180
was caught in the 1970s doing grossly

1691
01:05:45,289 --> 01:05:43,559
illegal things

1692
01:05:46,490 --> 01:05:45,299
you know that was revealed by the

1693
01:05:49,069 --> 01:05:46,500
Congress

1694
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:49,079
you know the uh the appalling

1695
01:05:53,210 --> 01:05:51,180
Revelations that came out of the Iran

1696
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:53,220
Contra inquiry where you know

1697
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:55,440
essentially sections of the U.S

1698
01:06:01,069 --> 01:05:57,540
intelligence Community was subverting

1699
01:06:03,770 --> 01:06:01,079
the will of the Congress in order to

1700
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:03,780
um deliver arms to the contrast to fight

1701
01:06:08,089 --> 01:06:06,000
a war against the allegedly communist

1702
01:06:09,589 --> 01:06:08,099
sandinisters

1703
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:09,599
um

1704
01:06:14,569 --> 01:06:11,700
do Americans care about those things

1705
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:14,579
that they should and they should care

1706
01:06:19,789 --> 01:06:16,859
about any breaches or illegalities in

1707
01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:19,799
relation to the issue of uaps and and

1708
01:06:23,329 --> 01:06:21,780
that's why it's so important it's why

1709
01:06:26,270 --> 01:06:23,339
it's so important that the oversight

1710
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:26,280
committees be properly informed and I

1711
01:06:29,870 --> 01:06:27,660
can tell you they're doing a really good

1712
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:29,880
job and there is a possibility that

1713
01:06:34,490 --> 01:06:33,000
there may be public hearings

1714
01:06:35,710 --> 01:06:34,500
um doubtful but you know there's a

1715
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:35,720
possibility

1716
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:38,520
and there are good people coming forward

1717
01:06:42,710 --> 01:06:40,920
I I know some of them and they're if

1718
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:42,720
they tell me if they tell the Congress

1719
01:06:48,289 --> 01:06:45,599
what they've told me it's

1720
01:06:52,010 --> 01:06:48,299
game over really

1721
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,020
that's encouraging I like that

1722
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,520
so Russ listen I'm very conscious of

1723
01:06:56,930 --> 01:06:55,440
time and I know we're limited here but

1724
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:56,940
are you able to tell us if you're

1725
01:07:01,789 --> 01:06:59,099
working on anything with seven news or

1726
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:01,799
any plans for 2023 to see you back on

1727
01:07:06,049 --> 01:07:04,079
the on the screen well as you know Bryce

1728
01:07:08,150 --> 01:07:06,059
zable and I are doing the need to know

1729
01:07:10,549 --> 01:07:08,160
vodcast on and we've got another one

1730
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:10,559
coming next week and that'll be done in

1731
01:07:15,170 --> 01:07:13,799
conjunction with 7 News uh Australia and

1732
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:15,180
it's going to be another Spotlight

1733
01:07:20,329 --> 01:07:18,720
special and uh what I will tell you is

1734
01:07:22,910 --> 01:07:20,339
that it's it's

1735
01:07:25,490 --> 01:07:22,920
quite incredible Revelations

1736
01:07:29,510 --> 01:07:25,500
from Bryce's experience in Hollywood

1737
01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:29,520
oh more information about

1738
01:07:34,190 --> 01:07:31,680
the way the Pentagon

1739
01:07:36,289 --> 01:07:34,200
plays with the media and tries to

1740
01:07:38,510 --> 01:07:36,299
manipulate what you're told in your

1741
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:38,520
movies and in your media

1742
01:07:44,690 --> 01:07:41,520
and there's also going to be a very

1743
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:44,700
interesting story about

1744
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:46,619
what

1745
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:50,400
really happened when a very very senior

1746
01:07:55,190 --> 01:07:52,440
government official was briefed

1747
01:07:56,690 --> 01:07:55,200
allegedly

1748
01:08:00,170 --> 01:07:56,700
about

1749
01:08:03,529 --> 01:08:01,910
wow so that's coming up that'll be

1750
01:08:06,289 --> 01:08:03,539
coming up on need to know in about a

1751
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:06,299
week's time and uh at the same time I'm

1752
01:08:09,529 --> 01:08:07,680
also

1753
01:08:11,930 --> 01:08:09,539
cracking the whip on myself because I

1754
01:08:15,529 --> 01:08:11,940
I've been I'm honored that harpercollins

1755
01:08:18,110 --> 01:08:15,539
USA are really Keen to do a update a new

1756
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:18,120
edition of my book in plain sight and

1757
01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:19,920
that will be released onto the American

1758
01:08:26,090 --> 01:08:23,160
Market I think in July August

1759
01:08:28,189 --> 01:08:26,100
and I am writing that right now and

1760
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:28,199
frantically trying to get the final

1761
01:08:31,610 --> 01:08:29,880
draft ready by the end of next week

1762
01:08:32,689 --> 01:08:31,620
which is the time they've given me to do

1763
01:08:33,289 --> 01:08:32,699
it

1764
01:08:36,050 --> 01:08:33,299
um

1765
01:08:39,169 --> 01:08:36,060
and uh that's underway at the moment as

1766
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,179
well and um in the middle of all of that

1767
01:08:44,090 --> 01:08:41,339
I am dealing on an almost daily basis

1768
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:44,100
with an absolute Avalanche of material

1769
01:08:48,289 --> 01:08:46,500
that just comes in the door every day

1770
01:08:50,809 --> 01:08:48,299
I mean one of the reasons I get so

1771
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,819
frustrated about the

1772
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:52,080
um

1773
01:08:56,570 --> 01:08:54,239
disinterest of the American media and

1774
01:08:59,269 --> 01:08:56,580
the UAP issue is because

1775
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,279
it's if you look if you just turn over a

1776
01:09:03,709 --> 01:09:00,960
rock and start looking it's such a

1777
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:03,719
bloody good story I mean I I so many

1778
01:09:08,450 --> 01:09:06,900
good people approaching me with solid

1779
01:09:09,769 --> 01:09:08,460
information you don't you don't need to

1780
01:09:12,890 --> 01:09:09,779
get into the woo

1781
01:09:14,570 --> 01:09:12,900
to find a good yarn in this area I mean

1782
01:09:17,329 --> 01:09:14,580
one thing I've got at the moment is an

1783
01:09:21,169 --> 01:09:17,339
Australian astronomer who's

1784
01:09:27,229 --> 01:09:21,179
sent me like gigabytes of data where he

1785
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:30,650
weird objects in orbit that are doing

1786
01:09:36,289 --> 01:09:34,500
things I cannot explain and the irony is

1787
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:36,299
is that what he's showing me is stuff

1788
01:09:39,229 --> 01:09:37,500
that I've been sent by other people

1789
01:09:41,510 --> 01:09:39,239
around the world

1790
01:09:43,070 --> 01:09:41,520
and so you know the the thing I feel

1791
01:09:44,689 --> 01:09:43,080
quite privileged and honored about is

1792
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:44,699
that people are entrusting me as a

1793
01:09:48,890 --> 01:09:46,259
journalist with

1794
01:09:52,490 --> 01:09:48,900
with information that I I feel Duty

1795
01:09:54,530 --> 01:09:52,500
banned to investigate and um I'm just

1796
01:09:56,810 --> 01:09:54,540
trying to find a way of funding and

1797
01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:56,820
resourcing those investigations because

1798
01:10:02,110 --> 01:09:59,100
I truly believe like never before

1799
01:10:05,930 --> 01:10:02,120
there's such a desperate need for

1800
01:10:08,209 --> 01:10:05,940
rigorous objective analysis and

1801
01:10:11,630 --> 01:10:08,219
investigation and skepticism

1802
01:10:13,130 --> 01:10:11,640
and it's not being done by mainstream

1803
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,140
media but rather than waiting for

1804
01:10:18,110 --> 01:10:15,120
mainstream media to do it

1805
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:18,120
you know it shows like yours Vinnie and

1806
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:21,060
Katie that that are actually the the

1807
01:10:26,810 --> 01:10:24,960
forward new end of New Media that are

1808
01:10:27,950 --> 01:10:26,820
actually asking these questions

1809
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:27,960
and and

1810
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,380
um you know you may not feel like it but

1811
01:10:35,689 --> 01:10:33,360
you are the Vanguard of the new media

1812
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:35,699
that have to Probe on this issue and the

1813
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,560
reason why you get the ratings you do

1814
01:10:42,050 --> 01:10:40,080
the reason why you have the audience you

1815
01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:42,060
have is because whether you believe it

1816
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:44,159
or not you add a new journalists of your

1817
01:10:49,070 --> 01:10:46,440
Generation The Legacy Media has dropped

1818
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:49,080
the ball on this issue they've failed

1819
01:10:53,390 --> 01:10:51,540
and sooner or later they're going to be

1820
01:10:54,890 --> 01:10:53,400
incredibly embarrassed that they didn't

1821
01:10:57,470 --> 01:10:54,900
follow the subject matter more

1822
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:57,480
aggressively but all credit to you guys

1823
01:11:00,590 --> 01:10:59,400
for asking the questions and digging for

1824
01:11:03,729 --> 01:11:00,600
the answers

1825
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,739
I appreciate the photo confidence yeah

1826
01:11:08,990 --> 01:11:06,239
thank you for coming in and helping us

1827
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:09,000
to try to unsport some of those Yarns

1828
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:11,219
like you said great great to see you

1829
01:11:15,770 --> 01:11:13,320
again Vinnie and great to meet you Katie

1830
01:11:18,250 --> 01:11:15,780
you're quite a hard question you had me

1831
01:11:20,689 --> 01:11:18,260
on the back foot

1832
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,699
glad to hear it glad to hear that's why

1833
01:11:24,470 --> 01:11:23,760
I'm here absolutely Ross thank you so

1834
01:11:26,510 --> 01:11:24,480
much

1835
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:26,520
um I know you're a busy man can't wait

1836
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,480
for all the stuff that you've got

1837
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,040
working that you're working on to come

1838
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:31,440
out and I'm sure it'll be very popular

1839
01:11:36,110 --> 01:11:34,320
but yeah thank you so much real pleasure